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Spear of Destiny
Topic Started: May 28 2009, 11:36 PM (206 Views)
XNavyGunner	May 28 2009, 11:36 PM Post #1
Gunner Posts: 11,684 Group: Global Moderators Member #89 Joined: Sep 5 2006 Gender Male	Hitler's successes as Nazi dictator have given way to a number of occult theories. One of the most common of these is the story of the Spear of Destiny. Also called the Holy Lance, this spear was believed to have been the weapon used to pierce the side of Jesus Christ at the Crucifixion. Legend has it that whoever possesses the lance will rule the world. The lance appears both in factual history and in fiction. In the Wagner opera Parsival, Klingsor was a despicable adversary of the Knights of the Holy Grail. The fiend sought to capture the Spear of Destiny from them and use it in his practice of black magic. In history, no figure was more feared than the black magician Landulph II of Capua. He, too, was obsessed with the power of the Spear of Destiny. Hitler identified the similarities between Wagner's character and the magician. He saw their struggles as parallel to his own quest for the holy icon. To Hitler, the blood purity of the Grail Knights and the maniacal quest of Klingsor and Landulph for the spear was the blueprint for world conquest by Nazi power. Hitler believed he would one day fulfill a historic destiny. How he would do this was not clear until he was 21. While in the Hapsburg Treasure House in Vienna, Austria, Hitler heard the words which he said were to change his whole life. A museum tour guide stopped in front of a display of an ancient spear and told of a legend that whoever possessed it would hold the destiny of the world. The guide said the spear was supposedly the one which a Roman Centurion thrust into the side of Jesus Christ at the Crucifixion. After the group departed, Hitler stepped forward for a closer look. "I knew with immediacy that this was an important moment in my life, and yet I could not divine why an outwardly Christian symbol should make such an impression on me," he said later. After his initial experience with the Spear of Destiny, Hitler studied the history of the ancient relic. He was intrigued and amazed at its incredible story. For more than 1,000 years, the spear had been a symbol of power to the emperors of the Holy Roman Empire. Century after century, the legend of the Spear had been fulfilled for good or evil. Constantine the Great claimed the spear guided him through providence. The Frankish General Karl Martel used the spear in battle. Emperor Charlemagne lived and slept within reach of the spear, and attributed 47 battle victories to its powers. In all, 45 emperors over 1,000 years claimed the Spear of Destiny as a possession. Hitler decided he had to possess it. Over the next three years, he made countless trips to the museum to gaze in awe at the spear. He recalled that one day as he stood in front of the display, he went into a trance. "I slowly became aware of a mighty presence around it -- the same awesome presence which I had experienced inwardly on those rare occasions in my life when I had sensed that a great destiny awaited me." In 1933, when Hitler rose to power, his 25-year obsession to possess the spear could be realized. In April, 1938, he marched his army into Vienna and took possession of the spear and took it to Nuremberg. One year later, he invaded Poland. On April 30, 1945, the same day Hitler supposedly killed himself, the American army invaded Nuremberg and took possession of the spear. In the months that followed, America unleashed the most destructive force ever known to man: the atomic bomb. While in possession of the Spear of Destiny, America became the undisputed ruler of the world. The spear now once again resides in the Hapsburg Treasure House Museum in Vienna. Source



Max	May 29 2009, 04:27 AM Post #2
Major Max Jenius C.O. Dancing Skulls SFU Posts: 7,224 Group: Members Member #3,307 Joined: Mar 6 2009 Gender Male Age Group 30's Country - USA Quotation - Don't Forget To Try in Mind-Love enlightens everything better than jewels do.	That's interesting,isn't it? There is a legend that General George Patton examined the Spear in 1945,but then gave it to his aides,walking away shaking his head.



newbloodmoon	Jun 3 2009, 12:57 PM Post #3
Sik ómahkapi'si Posts: 1,618 Group: Members Member #3,302 Joined: Feb 22 2009 Gender Male Age Group 30's Country - USA Quotation - All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. - Edgar Allan Poe	I have always been interested in the history of holy relics from the different religions.
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Max	Jun 3 2009, 05:53 PM Post #4
Major Max Jenius C.O. Dancing Skulls SFU Posts: 7,224 Group: Members Member #3,307 Joined: Mar 6 2009 Gender Male Age Group 30's Country - USA Quotation - Don't Forget To Try in Mind-Love enlightens everything better than jewels do.	^ I am interested in them as well,NBM. I'll start looking for more topic starters about relics and such.



Ashley Star Child	Jun 3 2009, 07:17 PM Post #5
Posts: 485 Group: Moderators Member #48 Joined: Jul 20 2006 Gender Female Age Group 20's	I watched a movie about this once, I believe the spear is real, don't know about the hitler involvement though
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Max	Jun 3 2009, 07:26 PM Post #6
Major Max Jenius C.O. Dancing Skulls SFU Posts: 7,224 Group: Members Member #3,307 Joined: Mar 6 2009 Gender Male Age Group 30's Country - USA Quotation - Don't Forget To Try in Mind-Love enlightens everything better than jewels do.	Hi Ashley. I believe the Spear is real,too. I don't know about all the war stuff though. It's interesting though.



Ashley Star Child	Jun 3 2009, 08:36 PM Post #7
Posts: 485 Group: Moderators Member #48 Joined: Jul 20 2006 Gender Female Age Group 20's	Yeah all stuff on ancitent relics interests me Max
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Sioux Falls Paranormal Studys	Jun 4 2009, 09:53 PM Post #8
Newbie Posts: 2 Group: Members Member #3,341 Joined: Jun 4 2009	this is really good topic I like this you should do more of it but the spear its been twisted so many times in movies and storys you dont know what to belive and back when hilter was in power I think it was just something to make people scared of hitler and the german army
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StrmySummer	Jun 5 2009, 03:21 AM Post #9
Storm Goddess Posts: 5,542 Group: Forum Reporter Member #43 Joined: Jul 10 2006 Gender Female	i dunno......so much is possible
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Max	Jun 5 2009, 04:08 AM Post #10
Major Max Jenius C.O. Dancing Skulls SFU Posts: 7,224 Group: Members Member #3,307 Joined: Mar 6 2009 Gender Male Age Group 30's Country - USA Quotation - Don't Forget To Try in Mind-Love enlightens everything better than jewels do.	Sioux Falls Paranormal Studys Jun 4 2009, 09:53 PM this is really good topic I like this you should do more of it but the spear its been twisted so many times in movies and storys you dont know what to belive and back when hilter was in power I think it was just something to make people scared of hitler and the german army I like talking about this kind of thing too,Sioux Falls! I'm looking for more on the Spear,and of course,anybody can add to the topic. If you see a subject you'd like to talk about,feel free to start it,or ask me or one of the other reporters to!



WReck	Jun 7 2009, 04:43 AM Post #11
Traveler Posts: 109 Group: Members Member #3,334 Joined: May 25 2009 Gender Male	suprised to see so much trafic on this post. Not that it isn't intresting but on one of the other thread more than 75% of the people on here stated they were athiest.



Max	Jun 7 2009, 05:07 PM Post #12
Major Max Jenius C.O. Dancing Skulls SFU Posts: 7,224 Group: Members Member #3,307 Joined: Mar 6 2009 Gender Male Age Group 30's Country - USA Quotation - Don't Forget To Try in Mind-Love enlightens everything better than jewels do.	Fair question. I know that several of us that have commented in this thread are Christian,but also-just the fact that Hitler seemed to believe that the Spear had these powers is very interesting. I believe Hitler was raised either Catholic or Lutheran,but whether he believed in anything but power by the time he led the Reich is anybody's guess.



WReck	Jun 8 2009, 05:07 AM Post #13
Traveler Posts: 109 Group: Members Member #3,334 Joined: May 25 2009 Gender Male	I suppose it would be more accurate to say of the people responding most were atheist. Interesting point about Hitler though. However the bible acknowledges a lot more powers at work than god. After all even the Catholic Church has people who study demonology. When you look closer at religion historicly the lines between occult practices and religious practices seem to get kind of grey. If you dig deep in Christianity you can learn a whole lot about “other” practices. Hitler and his followers seemed to be very interested in the other. May have all started with Christian studies though.



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